Crina and Kirsten Get to Work

We have one single mission: Help women find ease, meaning and joy at work and in life. We use our experiences as business owners, entrepreneurs, mentors and inspirational leaders to explore topics that all working women care about: shitty bosses; smashing the patriarchy; balancing work and life; navigating change and getting what you want! We guarantee that you will be entertained and inspired... promise!
Episodes
Episodes



Friday Jan 13, 2023
Friendship at Work--Your Direct Line to Ease, Meaning and Joy!
Friday Jan 13, 2023
Friday Jan 13, 2023
Friendships at work make you feel better about your job, more creative, able to solve problems more quickly and so much happier. Having friends of any kind–from casual acquaintances to besties–will lead to more ease, meaning and joy in your job and in your life, not to mention help you feel less lonely in this crazy world!
SHOW NOTES
Revisiting the very first episode of Crina and Kirsten Get to Work, our hosts take a deeper dive into material they discussed so many years ago. First, let’s review the three types of friendships, all of which contribute to the ease, meaning and joy we experience at work.
Friendships of utility: which exist between people who are useful to each other in some way.
Friendships of pleasure: which exist between people who enjoy each other.
Friendships of the good: which exist because of mutual respect and admiration.
Our hosts wanted to take a deeper dive considering what is something of a loneliness epidemic in the United State. Three decades ago, Gallup reported that three percent of Americans had no close friends. In 2021, an online poll put the number of people with no close friends at twelve percent. And over the pandemic thirteen percent of women report they have lost touch with friends over the pandemic.
Loneliness at work can keep people “out of the loop.” Interacting with other people at work makes the office more enjoyable, it also provides a conduit for critical information. The informal conversations and communications we have with people at work is how information is shared - and friendships really “grease the wheels” of this communication.
Friendships at work create more committed employees, who are more productive and are better communicators. According to the 2021 Workplace Friendship & Happiness Survey by Wildgoose, 57% of people say having a best friend in the workplace makes work more enjoyable, 22% feel more productive with friends, and 21% say friendship makes them more creative.
There are some key strategies to creating friendships at work, according to research by Shasta Nelson, friendship expert, there are three principles behind any strong relationship:
Consistency: how regularly and frequently you interact with each other.
Vulnerability: how you get to know and feel close to each other. Sharing, revealing, let people “in,”
Positivity: how much you enjoy each other’s company….kindness, validation, gratitude, affirmation, acceptance, love.
More good reads:
The State of American Friendship: Change, Challenges, and Loss
How Many Close Friends Do You Need in Adulthood? - The New York Times
The 2021 Workplace Friendship & Happiness Survey | Wildgoose USA
Why Having a Best Friend at Work Matters - businessnewsdaily.com
The Power of Work Friends
Frientimacy: The 3 Requirements of All Healthy Friendships | Shasta Nelson | TEDxLaSierraUniversity



Friday Dec 30, 2022
Rest Requires a Revolution
Friday Dec 30, 2022
Friday Dec 30, 2022
Our Western culture has created a focus on work and accomplishment - to the detriment of our physical, emotional, mental and spiritual well-being. Instead, we offer that each and every one of us need…deserve…or rather, should demand more rest and relaxation. In the words of the Nap Bishop herself, “rest requires a revolution.”
SHOW NOTES
Dr. Trisha Hersey, known as the Nap Bishop, is spreading the good word about rest. Hersey’s movement on rest was inspired by studying slavery and realising that slaves working to exhaustion was part of the brutal origin of capitalism - and her own inheritance. Hersey says her rest work is not just about the treatment of Black and Indigenous people, but fundamentally how Black and indigenous people are treated is a bellwether for how society is functioning. She believes everyone benefits when we question our attitudes around the “grind culture” of work and productivity. Hersey’s message is literally about taking naps, but also about other kids of rest. Her ministry comes with four tenets:
Resting pushes back on and disrupts on white supremacy and capitalism. We’ve been programmed to believe that the more we produce, the more worth we have, which has negatively impacted our well-being.
Our bodies are a site of liberation.
Naps provide a portal to imagine, invent and heal.
Our dream space has been stolen and we want it back. We will reclaim it via rest.
Saundra Dalton-Smith is a medical doctor who was raised with the message that as a Black woman she would always have to work harder than others. As a physician, she listened to her patients talk about fatigue and realized that her patients were not resting, which she turned inward to address her own deep fatigue. Dalton-Smith, who wrote Sacred Rest - Recover Your Life, Renew Your Energy, Restore your Sanity, focuses her work on the different kinds of rest we need - emotional, physical, social, spiritual, mental, social, sensory, and creative rest; and the gifts that come from that rest, such as boundaries, reflection, freedom, acceptance.
The message is rest, listeners, rest. It is good for all the parts of our human-ness.
The Nap Bishop Is Spreading the Good Word: Rest - The New York Times
Sacred Rest - Recover Your Life, Renew Your Energy, Restore your Sanity



Friday Dec 16, 2022
Goals: The Good, The Bad and the Ugly
Friday Dec 16, 2022
Friday Dec 16, 2022
As the end of the year approaches, many of us turn our attention to defining our next big achievement; new areas of focus; things we want to check off our list next year. But what if goal-setting isn’t everything it’s cracked up to be?
SHOW NOTES
A Harvard Business School Study found goal setting can create a narrow focus that neglects other areas; cause a rise in unethical behavior, erode the organization culture, and reduce intrinsic motivations. The authors of the study suggest goal setting should be treated like pharmaceuticals, carefully dosed with attention to harmful side effects and under close supervision. It is with this research in mind that we consider goal setting for the new year.
We know that goal setting can be an effective way to create ease, meaning and joy in our work lives. We also know that there are strategies for increasing the likelihood we will achieve our goals. For example, writing down goals increases the chances of achieving them by 42%; people who follow a schedule of actions to achieve a goal are 76% more likely to achieve their goals; and presenting weekly progress reports to a supportive audience increases our success rate 40%.
Given all of this data and the importance of carefully choosing goals, what is a woman to do about goals? Spoiler Alert - work on identifying and setting goals for more of what you want in your life. It is important to be very intentional about what you are creating because we know that goals are also limiting.
Step 1 – Make a list of what’s important - consider the financial and professional aspects of life; consider relationships, and of course physical, spiritual, emotional well-being. For example, what is important may be more time with friends; or more financial security; or more engagement with community.
Step 2 – Ask “why is this important?” for each item on your list. If more time with friends is on the list - answer the why. Is it because friends are fun, supportive, interesting? If you want more money in savings, ask why? Does more financial security allow you to be better prepared and feel safer? Does engaging with the community give a sense of purpose or meaning? Maybe it just feels good to contribute.
Step 3 – Use the answers to identify your values. The answers give us insight into the values behind what we want. What we want may reflect that we value comfort, or fun, or helping others - or whatever.
Step 4 – Use your values to set your goals. If we set goals in the context of our values, we are more likely to succeed in creating more of what we want in our lives. Our goals should engage and inspire us.
2023 is an opportunity to create more ease, meaning and joy in our lives - goal setting is one way to intentionally direct our energy and resources.
Additional Resources:
Goals Gone Wild: The Systematic Side Effects of Over-Prescribing Goal Setting - Working Paper - Faculty & Research - Harvard Business School
Journal of Applied Psychology
Compared to men, women view professional advancement as equally attainable, but less desirable | Gender Action Portal (harvard.edu)
How to Find Your Goals in Life



Friday Dec 02, 2022
Friday Dec 02, 2022
In this 100th episode of Crina and Kirsten Get to Work, our hosts check in on the annual Women in the Workplace study and report from LeanIn.Org and McKinsey & Company. Women in the Workplace | McKinsey
This year the study includes information from 333 participating organizations employing more than 12 million people, and surveyed more than 40,000 employees. The study included women of diverse identities, including women of color, LGBTQ+ women, and women with disabilities. The pandemic has changed what women want from their companies, including the growing importance of opportunity, flexibility, employee well-being, and diversity, equity, and inclusion.
What runs through all of the findings is women of color, LGBTQ+ women and women with disabilities are significantly more impacted than white women. This data point that runs through every finding in the report.
Women are breaking up with their employers in record numbers, particularly when it comes to women in leadership. More women in management are leaving than can be recruited. Why? We know women want more flexibility at work. The study confirms women leaders carry more of the diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) at work than men. It is ironic women leaders do more DEI work, which improves retention and satisfaction for employees, but results in these women leaders being overworked - and in many cases unrecognized. And let’s not forget about the second shift many women carry at home. Women leaders want a workplace culture that prioritizes employee well-being and DEI. Finally, women experience less support and more bias in the workplace, which makes the workplace more challenging for women.
For the 8th consecutive year, the “broken rung” at the first step to manager continues to hold women back. For every 100 men who are promoted into management, only 87 women are promoted, and only 82 women of color are promoted. As a result, men in management outnumber women, and women can never catch up. Fewer women in lower management, means fewer women to promote into senior leadership.
Women in technology industries are underrepresented and struggling. These women are twice as likely to frequently be the only woman in the room at work - and they face higher levels of bias based on their gender. Tech roles are among America’s fastest-growing and highest-paid job categories. If women in these roles have negative day-to-day experiences and don’t see an equal path to advancement, it could lead to larger gaps in both representation and earnings between women and men overall.
While the workplace for women is similar to the last eight reports from McKinsey and LeanIn.org, this study reports good and bad news. The good news is women leaders are pushing back and not accepting the status quo. The bad news is disparities for women of color, LGBTQ+ and differently abled are still significant and we are not making progress for women in leadership or in technology. There is more work to do - so the podcast continues!
Women in the Workplace | McKinsey



Friday Nov 18, 2022
Why You Procrastinate, and How To Overcome It
Friday Nov 18, 2022
Friday Nov 18, 2022
Procrastination is not just the act of delaying an action, it’s unnecessarily postponing things in a way that doesn’t make sense, and may even cause you harm. Sound familiar? Of course it does! Turns out that 95% of us admit to procrastinating (and the other 5% are probably lying).
SHOW NOTES
Procrastination has negative effects to all aspects of our well-being – from financial to physical health. But like all things, there is a reason we do something that is not so good for us. After a study, Drs. Pchyl and Sirois concluded procrastination is really about avoiding negative moods and emotions associated with a task. And the task may be negative because it is hard, boring, frustrating, meaningless, ambiguous etc. We just do not want to do it. Sooo, we delay because we want to avoid those negative feelings.
The delay creates something identified by many experts as the procrastination cycle. We have an expectation of ourselves that we are supposed to do something, we have some discomfort about what we are supposed to do, which in the moment is rewarded by avoiding the discomfort associated with the task, but then we have not done what we expected of ourselves – and we feel bad.
When we are in this cycle, we have a hard time imagining what it will be like when we do not meet the expectation we have set for ourselves – or let someone else set for us. Our present self feels great avoiding the discomfort – and is not considering that our future self will be stressed, lose opportunities, get disciplined or fired by our boss, feel awful we let down a co-worker . . ..
What does the research say about procrastination:
Get in touch with how your future self will feel if your present self procrastinates
As always, be gentle with yourself. Students who forgave themselves for not studying for a test ended up procrastinating far less on the next test. Solving the Procrastination Puzzle
Get curious about why – what is the negative feeling?
Remember getting the thing done will relive the negative emotion
Be OK with “not being in the mood.” It is okay not to feel like doing something, but still do it
Break tasks down into smaller bits
Make is easy for yourself - set a specific time to do something, combine it with something you like, break tasks into smaller bits
Bribe yourself – i.e., if I get this done, I will treat myself
5 Research-Based Strategies for Overcoming Procrastination
The real reasons you procrastinate — and how to stop - The Washington Post
Why You Procrastinate (It Has Nothing to Do With Self-Control) - The New York Times
Vicious Cycle of Procrastination.pub
fMRI scans of people’s brains



Friday Nov 04, 2022
Belonging at Work: Honoring Our Own Experience and Engineering Each Other’s
Friday Nov 04, 2022
Friday Nov 04, 2022
When we talk about belonging at work, it means we feel seen for our unique contributions, connected to our coworkers, supported in our daily work and career development and proud of our organization’s values and purpose. When we feel a sense of belonging at work, we are more likely to stay, to be engaged, to be loyal, to be proud, to be better at our jobs and to experience psychological safety.
SHOW NOTES
In this episode, our hosts consider what may be the most important element in creating ease, meaning and joy at work - belonging.Belonging is both external and internal. Dr. Geoffrey Cohen from Stanford says, “[w]e are the engineers of each other’s experience” Geoffrey Cohen from Stanford. Brene Brown says “[belonging] requires us to be who we are.” Belonging is the result of integration of these external and internal elements.
Thirty-four percent of people feel their greatest belonging at work - not family, not friends, but work. How do we create belonging at work? We revisit the paradox that we first spoke about - the internal and the external. What can we do as organizations and what can we do as individuals?
As individuals, we can work on our ability to show up in the workplace as we are - which as we know from Brene requires vulnerability and courage. We can then create alliances with a peer or supervisor who sees and values your contributions, we can engage in high quality interactions with our peers, we can look for and be courageous enough to enter into empathetic relationships with others.
As leaders and part of organizations, we can respect outside commitments, doster inclusive leadership, make our own connections, recognize work and its value, provide honest and regular feedback, respond to concerns, empower others, communicate openly and honestly, and show up as our authentic selves.
More good reads on this very important topic.
Speaking of Psychology: How the need to belong drives human behavior, with Geoffrey L. Cohen, PhD on Apple Podcasts
The Power of Belonging: - Coqual
The Value of Belonging at Work
Here’s How to Build a Sense of Belonging in the Workplace (betterup.com)
Belonging At Work Is Essential—Here Are 4 Ways To Foster It (forbes.com)



Friday Oct 21, 2022
Social Media Is Soul Sucking (oops...did we say that out loud?)
Friday Oct 21, 2022
Friday Oct 21, 2022
Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat...we are drawn social media it like moths to a flame - yet we always get zapped.
The research tells us we are using social media at work - and often for our own purposes, such as taking a break to check in with friends on Instagram or to manage our own on-line presence. Getting distracted by social media at work is a real thing - some of us can get back to work in 20 minutes, but others take two hours to return to the original task.
How we present ourselves can often influence our prospects to get a job. Profanity, bad grammar, reference to illegal drugs, alcohol use and secual content are among the things that deter a potential employer for making a hire.
Why do we do this - well, the brain science says social media triggers the same parts of our brain that are triggered by other addictions such as gambling or alcoholism.
There is disagreement about whether social media is good or bad - and of course, there really is not an answer because it is both good and bad. The good is that we can be inspired and informed by social media. Did you find a great hike you want to take because you saw a picture on Insta? Did something on Twitter alert you about something you could do for a positive change in the world? So many things that can enrich our lives come from social media.
The bad of social media is that it encourages the false self - we do not disclose all of ourselves nor do others disclose all of themselves. We end up believing that everyone is perfectly coiffed and engaged in a meaningful or fun activity, which is a false narrative. The studies on social media report that it generally makes us feel more stress, particularly women, it lowers our mood, increases anxiety and depression, interferes with our sleep and lowers our self-esteem. It dresses our well-being, interferes with relationships. Social media also fosters negative emotions such as envy, belonging and loneliness.
Here are some helpful strategies to make the most of social media without it making the worst of us:
Consider the source - are you in a great SnapChat group with dear friends? Are you looking for fun ideas for a vacation?
Set limits and know when to stop
Use social media to connect with people who inspire you, share interests provide a sense of belonging
Negative Emotions are warning signs it may be time to unfollow or sign off
Try a social media fast - you may surprised how hollow it feels on your return



Friday Oct 07, 2022
Working With Men (Spoiler Alert: You Don’t Need To Drink Beer or Play Golf)
Friday Oct 07, 2022
Friday Oct 07, 2022
When considering the dynamics between cis-gendered men and women in the workplace, the “advice” available in the media on this topic is terrible. Women are told to drink beer, avoid conflict, be kind, learn to golf, keep your personal life private and of course, soften yourself in voice and appearance so you are more attractive to men. Where do we go from this crock of horse manure?!
Crina and Kirsten have discussed the research on women’s behaviors in the workplace and how women excel in almost every leadership capacity. This research is established and has been replicated. It is clear - men and women behave differently in the workplace. Those differences can create conflict.
How do we manage these behavioral differences without drinking beer, playing golf and being less of ourselves? We found some pretty interesting strategies - and some backed my research.
Surround yourself with powerful, female role models. When we see others like us, we are more comfortable with ourselves and less likely to bend to satisfy someone else’s expectations of us. Seeing is believing: Exposure to counterstereotypic women leaders and its effect on the malleability of automatic gender stereotyping - ScienceDirect
Connect, reach out, mentor, offer advice, and share power with other women. Rather than diminishing influence, this openness to and sharing with other women seems to multiply impact and creates an environment where female influence at work is not a source of tension or conflict. Why Sharing Power At Work Is The Very Best Way To Build It (fastcompany.com)
Remain true to yourself, but be open. women recognize others will have different perspectives and they listen. Persuading rather than preaching is almost always a better approach - with men or women.
Set boundaries and don’t burn yourself out: we are most effective and our best at work when we have a rich, full life outside of work.
Pitch-in, if that’s what you want to do. It’s ok to get the coffee because you’re kind and human.
Slow down, which allows you to assess what is going on rather than defaulting to the tapes that pay in your head and the stories that society has told you about who you should be in the workplace.
Get really good at failure - our work culture is not set up for women - acknowledge when something goes wrong, and ask yourself why it went wrong and how you can change it to move forward.
Some more good reads:
How men's and women's brains are different | Stanford Medicine
Research-Based Advice for Women Working in Male-Dominated Fields (hbr.org)
Battle of the Brain: Men Vs. Women [Infographic] | Northwestern Medicine
These are the 7 surprising things I've learned from working with powerful women

Crina and Kirsten Get to Work
Crina and Kirsten dish on all things related to women and work. Through engaging conversations and witty banter, they will inspire you to seize your power and create meaningful, joyous, fun and rewarding work in their business podcast. While exploring motivational podcast topics such as authenticity, shitty bosses, friends and negotiation, Crina and Kirsten lift up women and show the patriarchy “the hand” and “the finger”.