Crina and Kirsten Get to Work

We have one single mission: Help women find ease, meaning and joy at work and in life. We use our experiences as business owners, entrepreneurs, mentors and inspirational leaders to explore topics that all working women care about: shitty bosses; smashing the patriarchy; balancing work and life; navigating change and getting what you want! We guarantee that you will be entertained and inspired... promise!
We have one single mission: Help women find ease, meaning and joy at work and in life. We use our experiences as business owners, entrepreneurs, mentors and inspirational leaders to explore topics that all working women care about: shitty bosses; smashing the patriarchy; balancing work and life; navigating change and getting what you want! We guarantee that you will be entertained and inspired... promise!
Episodes
Episodes



Friday Dec 02, 2022
Friday Dec 02, 2022
In this 100th episode of Crina and Kirsten Get to Work, our hosts check in on the annual Women in the Workplace study and report from LeanIn.Org and McKinsey & Company. Women in the Workplace | McKinsey
This year the study includes information from 333 participating organizations employing more than 12 million people, and surveyed more than 40,000 employees. The study included women of diverse identities, including women of color, LGBTQ+ women, and women with disabilities. The pandemic has changed what women want from their companies, including the growing importance of opportunity, flexibility, employee well-being, and diversity, equity, and inclusion.
What runs through all of the findings is women of color, LGBTQ+ women and women with disabilities are significantly more impacted than white women. This data point that runs through every finding in the report.
Women are breaking up with their employers in record numbers, particularly when it comes to women in leadership. More women in management are leaving than can be recruited. Why? We know women want more flexibility at work. The study confirms women leaders carry more of the diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) at work than men. It is ironic women leaders do more DEI work, which improves retention and satisfaction for employees, but results in these women leaders being overworked - and in many cases unrecognized. And let’s not forget about the second shift many women carry at home. Women leaders want a workplace culture that prioritizes employee well-being and DEI. Finally, women experience less support and more bias in the workplace, which makes the workplace more challenging for women.
For the 8th consecutive year, the “broken rung” at the first step to manager continues to hold women back. For every 100 men who are promoted into management, only 87 women are promoted, and only 82 women of color are promoted. As a result, men in management outnumber women, and women can never catch up. Fewer women in lower management, means fewer women to promote into senior leadership.
Women in technology industries are underrepresented and struggling. These women are twice as likely to frequently be the only woman in the room at work - and they face higher levels of bias based on their gender. Tech roles are among America’s fastest-growing and highest-paid job categories. If women in these roles have negative day-to-day experiences and don’t see an equal path to advancement, it could lead to larger gaps in both representation and earnings between women and men overall.
While the workplace for women is similar to the last eight reports from McKinsey and LeanIn.org, this study reports good and bad news. The good news is women leaders are pushing back and not accepting the status quo. The bad news is disparities for women of color, LGBTQ+ and differently abled are still significant and we are not making progress for women in leadership or in technology. There is more work to do - so the podcast continues!
Women in the Workplace | McKinsey



Friday Nov 18, 2022
Why You Procrastinate, and How To Overcome It
Friday Nov 18, 2022
Friday Nov 18, 2022
Procrastination is not just the act of delaying an action, it’s unnecessarily postponing things in a way that doesn’t make sense, and may even cause you harm. Sound familiar? Of course it does! Turns out that 95% of us admit to procrastinating (and the other 5% are probably lying).
SHOW NOTES
Procrastination has negative effects to all aspects of our well-being – from financial to physical health. But like all things, there is a reason we do something that is not so good for us. After a study, Drs. Pchyl and Sirois concluded procrastination is really about avoiding negative moods and emotions associated with a task. And the task may be negative because it is hard, boring, frustrating, meaningless, ambiguous etc. We just do not want to do it. Sooo, we delay because we want to avoid those negative feelings.
The delay creates something identified by many experts as the procrastination cycle. We have an expectation of ourselves that we are supposed to do something, we have some discomfort about what we are supposed to do, which in the moment is rewarded by avoiding the discomfort associated with the task, but then we have not done what we expected of ourselves – and we feel bad.
When we are in this cycle, we have a hard time imagining what it will be like when we do not meet the expectation we have set for ourselves – or let someone else set for us. Our present self feels great avoiding the discomfort – and is not considering that our future self will be stressed, lose opportunities, get disciplined or fired by our boss, feel awful we let down a co-worker . . ..
What does the research say about procrastination:
Get in touch with how your future self will feel if your present self procrastinates
As always, be gentle with yourself. Students who forgave themselves for not studying for a test ended up procrastinating far less on the next test. Solving the Procrastination Puzzle
Get curious about why – what is the negative feeling?
Remember getting the thing done will relive the negative emotion
Be OK with “not being in the mood.” It is okay not to feel like doing something, but still do it
Break tasks down into smaller bits
Make is easy for yourself - set a specific time to do something, combine it with something you like, break tasks into smaller bits
Bribe yourself – i.e., if I get this done, I will treat myself
5 Research-Based Strategies for Overcoming Procrastination
The real reasons you procrastinate — and how to stop - The Washington Post
Why You Procrastinate (It Has Nothing to Do With Self-Control) - The New York Times
Vicious Cycle of Procrastination.pub
fMRI scans of people’s brains



Friday Nov 04, 2022
Belonging at Work: Honoring Our Own Experience and Engineering Each Other’s
Friday Nov 04, 2022
Friday Nov 04, 2022
When we talk about belonging at work, it means we feel seen for our unique contributions, connected to our coworkers, supported in our daily work and career development and proud of our organization’s values and purpose. When we feel a sense of belonging at work, we are more likely to stay, to be engaged, to be loyal, to be proud, to be better at our jobs and to experience psychological safety.
SHOW NOTES
In this episode, our hosts consider what may be the most important element in creating ease, meaning and joy at work - belonging.Belonging is both external and internal. Dr. Geoffrey Cohen from Stanford says, “[w]e are the engineers of each other’s experience” Geoffrey Cohen from Stanford. Brene Brown says “[belonging] requires us to be who we are.” Belonging is the result of integration of these external and internal elements.
Thirty-four percent of people feel their greatest belonging at work - not family, not friends, but work. How do we create belonging at work? We revisit the paradox that we first spoke about - the internal and the external. What can we do as organizations and what can we do as individuals?
As individuals, we can work on our ability to show up in the workplace as we are - which as we know from Brene requires vulnerability and courage. We can then create alliances with a peer or supervisor who sees and values your contributions, we can engage in high quality interactions with our peers, we can look for and be courageous enough to enter into empathetic relationships with others.
As leaders and part of organizations, we can respect outside commitments, doster inclusive leadership, make our own connections, recognize work and its value, provide honest and regular feedback, respond to concerns, empower others, communicate openly and honestly, and show up as our authentic selves.
More good reads on this very important topic.
Speaking of Psychology: How the need to belong drives human behavior, with Geoffrey L. Cohen, PhD on Apple Podcasts
The Power of Belonging: - Coqual
The Value of Belonging at Work
Here’s How to Build a Sense of Belonging in the Workplace (betterup.com)
Belonging At Work Is Essential—Here Are 4 Ways To Foster It (forbes.com)



Friday Oct 21, 2022
Social Media Is Soul Sucking (oops...did we say that out loud?)
Friday Oct 21, 2022
Friday Oct 21, 2022
Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat...we are drawn social media it like moths to a flame - yet we always get zapped.
The research tells us we are using social media at work - and often for our own purposes, such as taking a break to check in with friends on Instagram or to manage our own on-line presence. Getting distracted by social media at work is a real thing - some of us can get back to work in 20 minutes, but others take two hours to return to the original task.
How we present ourselves can often influence our prospects to get a job. Profanity, bad grammar, reference to illegal drugs, alcohol use and secual content are among the things that deter a potential employer for making a hire.
Why do we do this - well, the brain science says social media triggers the same parts of our brain that are triggered by other addictions such as gambling or alcoholism.
There is disagreement about whether social media is good or bad - and of course, there really is not an answer because it is both good and bad. The good is that we can be inspired and informed by social media. Did you find a great hike you want to take because you saw a picture on Insta? Did something on Twitter alert you about something you could do for a positive change in the world? So many things that can enrich our lives come from social media.
The bad of social media is that it encourages the false self - we do not disclose all of ourselves nor do others disclose all of themselves. We end up believing that everyone is perfectly coiffed and engaged in a meaningful or fun activity, which is a false narrative. The studies on social media report that it generally makes us feel more stress, particularly women, it lowers our mood, increases anxiety and depression, interferes with our sleep and lowers our self-esteem. It dresses our well-being, interferes with relationships. Social media also fosters negative emotions such as envy, belonging and loneliness.
Here are some helpful strategies to make the most of social media without it making the worst of us:
Consider the source - are you in a great SnapChat group with dear friends? Are you looking for fun ideas for a vacation?
Set limits and know when to stop
Use social media to connect with people who inspire you, share interests provide a sense of belonging
Negative Emotions are warning signs it may be time to unfollow or sign off
Try a social media fast - you may surprised how hollow it feels on your return



Friday Oct 07, 2022
Working With Men (Spoiler Alert: You Don’t Need To Drink Beer or Play Golf)
Friday Oct 07, 2022
Friday Oct 07, 2022
When considering the dynamics between cis-gendered men and women in the workplace, the “advice” available in the media on this topic is terrible. Women are told to drink beer, avoid conflict, be kind, learn to golf, keep your personal life private and of course, soften yourself in voice and appearance so you are more attractive to men. Where do we go from this crock of horse manure?!
Crina and Kirsten have discussed the research on women’s behaviors in the workplace and how women excel in almost every leadership capacity. This research is established and has been replicated. It is clear - men and women behave differently in the workplace. Those differences can create conflict.
How do we manage these behavioral differences without drinking beer, playing golf and being less of ourselves? We found some pretty interesting strategies - and some backed my research.
Surround yourself with powerful, female role models. When we see others like us, we are more comfortable with ourselves and less likely to bend to satisfy someone else’s expectations of us. Seeing is believing: Exposure to counterstereotypic women leaders and its effect on the malleability of automatic gender stereotyping - ScienceDirect
Connect, reach out, mentor, offer advice, and share power with other women. Rather than diminishing influence, this openness to and sharing with other women seems to multiply impact and creates an environment where female influence at work is not a source of tension or conflict. Why Sharing Power At Work Is The Very Best Way To Build It (fastcompany.com)
Remain true to yourself, but be open. women recognize others will have different perspectives and they listen. Persuading rather than preaching is almost always a better approach - with men or women.
Set boundaries and don’t burn yourself out: we are most effective and our best at work when we have a rich, full life outside of work.
Pitch-in, if that’s what you want to do. It’s ok to get the coffee because you’re kind and human.
Slow down, which allows you to assess what is going on rather than defaulting to the tapes that pay in your head and the stories that society has told you about who you should be in the workplace.
Get really good at failure - our work culture is not set up for women - acknowledge when something goes wrong, and ask yourself why it went wrong and how you can change it to move forward.
Some more good reads:
How men's and women's brains are different | Stanford Medicine
Research-Based Advice for Women Working in Male-Dominated Fields (hbr.org)
Battle of the Brain: Men Vs. Women [Infographic] | Northwestern Medicine
These are the 7 surprising things I've learned from working with powerful women



Friday Sep 23, 2022
Toxic Workplaces: How to See the Signs (& How To Deal With Them)
Friday Sep 23, 2022
Friday Sep 23, 2022
Workplace culture is created by the people on your team, your leaders, and the written and unwritten rules that guide behavior. When these “norms” result in feeling psychologically unsafe or they get in the way of your being effective, it is toxic.
Adam Grant says there are two fundamental tensions in organizational culture - the tension between results and relationship and the tension between rules and risk. When these tensions are out of balance, it leads to a toxic workplace.
Grant says the first sin of a toxic workplace is bad behavior - or toxicity. What we are talking about here is disrespectful, demeaning and abusive behavior, people who are non-inclusive, unethical, cutthroat or overly competitive - and of course the list goes on. The workplace where these negative behaviors occur prioritizes results over relationships. This kind of behavior in the workplace is one of the drivers of the great resignation.
If a workplace goes to the other side and flips the focus from results to relationships, we have the second sin, which is mediocracy. These workplaces value relationships above results to such a degree that people are not held accountable. There is no incentive to do a good job because whether you do a good job or a terrible job, the rewards are the same.
The third deadly sin of the toxic workplace is bureaucracy. Bureaucracy helps up manage risk - and that is good. If a culture is focused on rules and procedures to manage risk, then there is no creativity, no change and no risk. As with mediocrity, there is no reward for efficiency, innovation and collaboration.
The other side of bureaucracy is anarchy, the fourth sin of the toxic workplace. In a culture of anarchy, there is all risk and no rules. Anyone can do whatever they want, strategy and structure be damned. No one learns from the past or lands on the same page. It’s pure chaos. Interpersonal relationships are difficult in a culture with no or few rules because everyone is on their own.
Grant has some questions to ask before you take a job to determine culture - and these are great questions for us to ask ourselves about our current work situation:
Tell me what happens here that does not happen in other places?
Tell me about a time when people did not walk the talk here?
Tell me a story about who gets hired, fired and promoted?
Learning about workplace culture is vital before you take a job. For those of us who are currently in jobs, these questions can help us discern our discomfort and take action to address it - whether that means leaving a job, changing our attitudes, accepting what is - or even just getting affirmation that our discomfort is valid.
Why Every Leader Needs to Worry About Toxic Culture
Toxic Culture Is Driving the Great Resignation



Friday Sep 09, 2022
Workplace Gossip--How To Do It Well
Friday Sep 09, 2022
Friday Sep 09, 2022
Workplace gossip happens everywhere, so it’s about time we learned how to do it well! Let’s face it–gossip helps us build relationships, understand norms, address bad behavior, and have fun! Unfortunately, gossip has gotten a bad rap…until now.
SHOW NOTES
Researchers define gossip as “talking about someone who is not present” and, according to research, people spend an average of 52 minutes a day gossiping. Gossip is not always negative. In fact, as one study found, most if gossip is actually neutral, and according to researchers - boring.
Since we have this strong impulse to gossip, it is important to get it right and to do it in a way that is not destructive to the workplace. Gossip has a bad rap, and for good reason, but it allows us to feel closer to others at work and can raise trust and intimacy. It also allows us to form workplace norms and to pass on information to others about those norms - and it builds cooperation. And even though gossip can hurt - it drives self-reflection.
The problem with gossip is that unless it is done well, it can cause significant negative impacts in the workplace. Just as gossip can build trust, gossip can erode trust. Gossip can waiste our time and cause anxiety. And of course, gossip can cause hurt feelings and create divisiveness in the workplace.
It is really important to gossip well. Crina and Kirsten have some suggestions:
Focus on the behavior, not the person
Avoid triangulation
Focus on our own experiences, not representing someone else's
Understand the difference between valid information and hearsay
Keep it “above the belt” Don’t talk or make up crappy stories
Be aware of the narrative you’re creating about yourself when you gossip!
Don’t use gossip as a way to damage someone or as a mechanism to get ahead
Don’t distort the truth or embellish (remember the game of telephone?)
Stay away from gossip over email or in writing.
We are going to gossip in the workplace because we are, well, human, so let’s get it right at work!
Good Read:
The Science Behind Why People Gossip—And When It Can Be a Good Thing



Friday Aug 26, 2022
Imposter Syndrome: When You Feel Like You’re Faking It.
Friday Aug 26, 2022
Friday Aug 26, 2022
Your success and achievement is the result of your efforts, talents and skills–not luck! So why do many of us still feel like we don’t belong, or even worse, don’t deserve the kudos, rewards, titles and positions that we possess? The answer: Imposter Syndrome.
Imposter syndrome was “discovered” in the 1970s by two psychologists, Pauline Rose Clance and Suzanna Imes. They studied graduate and undergraduate students and found it to be very prevalent in women, ultimately designing a scale and a test to identify levels of imposterism - see the link to the test below. Imposter syndrome is not a mental health diagnosis or condition, rather it is an experience most of us have at some point - and many experience it frequently - up to 80% according to some studies.
Imposterism is the persistent inability to believe one's success is deserved or has been legitimately achieved as a result of one's own efforts; the internal experience of believing one is not as competent as others perceive one to be, a fraud. It is the belief that success and achievement are luck or a coincidence. In low doses, these feelings and beliefs are just part of the human experience. In higher doses, imposterism interferes with our ease, meaning and joy at work.
Imposterism looks like:
An inability to realistically assess our competence and skills
Attributing success to external factors
Berating your performance
Fear you won't meet expectations
Setting very challenging goals and feeling disappointed when you fall short
Perfectionism
And it feels like anxiety,fear and self-doubt.
Interestingly, recent data suggests it is just as prevalent in men - and the effects on men may be more significant and these effects cause more significant impacts to performance.
We can be more vulnerable to imposterism by our upbringing (valuing of achievement, controlling parents, high-levels of conflict); a new experience or challenge; our personality (anxious, lack of confidence, perfectionism).
Consistently, the smart folks have similar strategies to address the imposter syndrome. First - mindset - what if we take the approach that imposter syndrome is a growth opportunity rather than a deficit? Second - tell the truth - the imposter is like a mean friend - call her out with your higher self, your own heroine - or your Sage (remember the foil to our Saboteur?). Have you really always failed? Is this experience really certain to be a disaster? Consider other situations that have been successful - or even not a failure - draw on experiences where your decisions and actions have worked out and apply them to the current situation - spend time revisiting positive experiences and feedback. Peter Shepherd, who has an excellent TedTalk on this subject, calls it the two-step - like a dance - when a negative thought arises, address it with an evidence based analysis of your experience.
Clance IP Scale
Prevalence, Predictors, and Treatment of Impostor Syndrome: a Systematic Review - PubMed (nih.gov)
The Surprising Solution to the Imposter Syndrome | Lou Solomon | TEDxCharlotte - Bing video
What if imposter syndrome is a good thing? | Peter Shepherd | TEDxUniMelb - Bing video

Crina and Kirsten Get to Work
Crina and Kirsten dish on all things related to women and work. Through engaging conversations and witty banter, they will inspire you to seize your power and create meaningful, joyous, fun and rewarding work in their business podcast. While exploring motivational podcast topics such as authenticity, shitty bosses, friends and negotiation, Crina and Kirsten lift up women and show the patriarchy “the hand” and “the finger”.








